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Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 348	Posted - 2012.02.27 14:22:00 - [1] - Quote Captian FruitLoop wrote: [Hulk, My Hulk] Damage Control II Reinforced Bulkheads II Invulnerability Field II Micro Shield Extender II Small Shield Booster II Cap Recharger II (Drop this for Poacher Photon Scattering Field if you don't afk mine, just turn off shield booster when it's not needed) Strip Miner I Strip Miner I Strip Miner I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Cargohold Optimization I STATS ARE WITH MY SKILLS AND ORCA PILOT RUNNING T2 SHIELD HARMONY MODULE EHP: 21,569 Resists: EM-66.7 Therm-79.3 Kin-80 EXP-81.4 Cargo Size: 9,200M3 Cap Stable at 51% Overheating Adds 882EHP This can tank most any cruiser, and even some BC's while your afk and not overheated This gives REALLY low yield. And it's 'out the window' anyway with Smartbombs, which has become de rigeur as of late. Stripper II's, Upgrade II in the Lows, and having another toon in Fleet using Med Shield Rep Drones on you is good enough for anything but the Smartbombs......and MUCH higher yield. This is what I call a paranoid tank...overprepared for the least, and underprepared for the worst. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 348	Posted - 2012.02.27 14:24:00 - [2] - Quote Fluffi Flaffi wrote: Neverever use a Shield Booster! It will not save your your ship if somebody is trying to suicide gank you. THIS. True....much less a Small Booster as presented above. The 2 Invuls are your best hope. The V-braced Invulns are good for saving some CPU as well. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 349	Posted - 2012.02.27 15:15:00 - [3] - Quote Zathryon wrote: im just used to using faction boosters for tanking 0.0 rats. I use t2 strips so my fits are already a bit tighter. this is what I was thinking. 22.3k EHP and its not that expensive. totally fills out cpu and grid. 22k ehp still wont last the 15 seconds it takes for CONCORD to get there against a smartbomb? I was also thinking of fitting shield rep drones on each one. Im not willing to put my Orca in the belt to put larger drones on the hulks, im not going to turn a hulk loss into an Orca loss. thoughts? [Hulk, hihulk fit] Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction F85 Peripheral Damage System I Mining Laser Upgrade II Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I The 10% tiny shield resist from the Damage Control is not going to help in the situations Hulks find themselves in. May as well just put the 2nd Upgrade II in the Low slot. The 2 Regolith shields are only adding a total of 450 HP to Shields. Keep one if you must, but you really do need a Survey Scanner on a Hulk. Also, it's OK to have an empty mid-slot.......... Now, tanking a legitimate non-botting Mackinaw....there is ADVENTURE TIME. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 349	Posted - 2012.02.27 20:09:00 - [4] - Quote Skorpynekomimi wrote: If you know you're likely to be ganked in that system, greed will get you killed. If you know you're likely to be ganked in that system, go ELSEWHERE. Much simpler advice than all that yield reducing shielding. Skorpynekomimi wrote: Of course, by far the best tank is to have a station around you. THIS......will not help at all. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 349	Posted - 2012.02.27 20:12:00 - [5] - Quote Monty Kvaran wrote: Skorpynekomimi wrote: Keep some armour and hull drones around to help with post-gank repairs, too. Since when are there hull drones? Skorpy posts lots of nonsense. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 349	Posted - 2012.02.27 20:23:00 - [6] - Quote Gahagan wrote: I go for a more resist-oriented fit. I can't vouch for how gank-resistant it is, nobody has done me the honor, but I'd assume it's pretty good. And you STILL bothered to post a useless fit ? And have NO testing of it on the field. Great advice here.....NOT When you assume........(you know the rest). Gahagan wrote: If you're highsec mining I'd suggest drones, as belt rats can gnaw away a bit of shield and make ganks easier. And if those High Sec rats are eating more than even 1/20th (yes, one twentieth) of your Shield, something is fundamentally wrong somewhere already. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 349	Posted - 2012.02.28 12:00:00 - [7] - Quote Julien Brellier wrote: [Hulk, Hulk] Medium Cargohold Optimization I Medium Cargohold Optimization I Excellent tank but for this. Needs the EM Shield rig in one of these spots. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 349	Posted - 2012.02.28 12:04:00 - [8] - Quote Zathryon wrote: I dont fit survey scanners, I mine with 3 hulks under orca support so I just empty a belt of all the ores I want and move on. I can fit a second MLU no matter what I try without sacrificing too much tank (i feel like) so Ill throw in a DCU for good measure. I will have shield drones repping each other and a shield gang link on the orca. i think this is the best ive come up with [Hulk, hisec] Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Additional Thermal Barrier Emitter I V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix Viscoelastic EM Ward Salubrity I F85 Peripheral Damage System I Mining Laser Upgrade II Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I resists: 77.5 / 82 / 80.1 / 81.4 21.7k EHP I could also change out the amp resistance for a shield extender and a shield hardener. It gets about 1k more EHP but a nasty hole in therm. resistance. thoughts? As I pointed out in the post above, one of those Rigs should be the EM resist rig. That will free up that mid slot. Your choice what to put there, better choices if you have the 5% CPU implant as well. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 349	Posted - 2012.02.28 12:06:00 - [9] - Quote TravisWB wrote: HISEC Hulk Tanking???? Its done like this: Forget about AFK MINING. This. True, and the best advice. It's astonishing the number of posts with a noob questioning at some point to the effect of ".....and for some AFK mining should I tank with.....", etc. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 349	Posted - 2012.02.28 12:10:00 - [10] - Quote Tau Cabalander wrote: This is what I use. It works well with a Siege Warfare: Shield Harmonizing link on an Orca. I don't AFK mine. I watch local and dscan. I overheat and GTFO if it looks risky, sacrificing the drones if need be (they are cheaper than a new Hulk). The Orca deals with belt rats. You can substitute a Viscoelastic EM Ward Salubrity I for the Caldari Navy / Dread Guristas EM amplifier. [Hulk, Hisec] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II [Hulk, EHP] Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Damage Control II Bad fit from the start as this is a seriously paranoid reduction in Yield from zero MLU's. Tau Cabalander wrote: This fit has more EHP, but I've not used it: And this.............OMG. Are we supposed to say 'thanks' ? Whatever dude. Next......... OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"

Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 351	Posted - 2012.02.28 18:43:00 - [11] - Quote PvtColt wrote: I believe somewhere was a thread where some guy proposed to create an alt, put this alt in a rookie ship, fly it on the belt and then shoot your hulk. Your Hulk will easily tank this shooting and Concord will destroy your alt, but after it Concord stays on the belt and you don't need to wait it for 15 sec if ganker will attack you Erm...just have the Rookie Ship shoot a can. Less of a Sec hit than shooting a ship. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 351	Posted - 2012.02.28 18:52:00 - [12] - Quote Tau Cabalander wrote: Hulk has a built-in MLU, and a Hulk wreck yield even less ore, and takes a considerable amount of mining to replace. WTF you talkin' 'bout Willis ??????? _______________________________ Mining Barge Skill Bonus: 3% better yield for Strip Miners per level 7.5% bonus to all shield resistances per level Exhumers Skill Bonus: 3% better yield for Strip Miners per level 3% reduction in Ice Harvester duration per level Role Bonus: Able to equip Strip Miner and Ice Harvester turrets _______________________________ I see no built-in MLU unless I'm REALLY blind or something. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 352	Posted - 2012.02.28 20:54:00 - [13] - Quote Ajita al Tchar wrote: ITT: Krixtal shows why caffeine is a helluva drug Krixtal made some very good points that are worth noting, though, I tease. Of course, with Smartbombs it's all out the window anyway. 3 BS's with them will even pop your ORCA's Pod before CONCORD comes to the 'rescue'. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 352	Posted - 2012.02.28 21:46:00 - [14] - Quote Haffsol wrote: sorry but I find all this (these) thread(s) a bit useless. Imho there are only 3 simple things to think about when fitting a Hulk: 1- you want more yeld 2- you want to max out your yeld 3- you can squeeze a lil bit more your yeld numbers + the golden rule which is called GET AN HAULER. This is my philosophy........and a hauler is indeed essential, but helps not with ganks. In fact, it gives you MORE TO LOSE. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 353	Posted - 2012.02.29 11:43:00 - [15] - Quote Tauranon wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Ajita al Tchar wrote: ITT: Krixtal shows why caffeine is a helluva drug Krixtal made some very good points that are worth noting, though, I tease. Of course, with Smartbombs it's all out the window anyway. 3 BS's with them will even pop your ORCA's Pod before CONCORD comes to the 'rescue'. Nope. I dunno why people fit max cargo orca's (its kinda pointless given only cargo bay, not hangers or ore bay expands), but they almost always have basic shield tanks, and it requires more than 60 seconds for this to work. Concord will be there for 40 seconds. most orcas are lost to aggressing by the pilot, awoxing, or flying during wars. Again, I shall repeat, THREE SMARTBOMB FITTED BATTLESHIPS can take an Orca out long before CONCORD arrives. End of Discussion. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 354	Posted - 2012.02.29 14:44:00 - [16] - Quote Fluffi Flaffi wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Again, I shall repeat, THREE SMARTBOMB FITTED BATTLESHIPS can take an Orca out long before CONCORD arrives. End of Discussion. From repeating it doesn't become true! Prove it! Show us the fittings of your BS and the Orca. Honestly I can't believe, that 3x BS are enough to gank an Orca in HiSec with 90k EHP (which is the standard basic EHP when fittet lows and Rigs with Cargomodules!) Just search Orca kills on the larger boards. You will find plenty. These are SMARTBOMBS we are talking about 3 Apocs can fit 24 Large. I'm done arguing here. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 354	Posted - 2012.02.29 15:02:00 - [17] - Quote Fluffi Flaffi wrote: sorry. I tried, but didn't find one. Sorry you have Search Fail Ability running strong in you. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 354	Posted - 2012.02.29 15:10:00 - [18] - Quote Although I've seen 3 (they must have some weird bonus) this is Altered to 5 Apocs: These are SMARTBOMBS we are talking about 5 Apocs can fit 40 Large. 8 X 300 HP (per SBomb) = 2400 every 10 seconds With E Pulse weapons at V that is every 7.5 seconds x 5 Apocs is 12000 every 7.5 seconds. x 5 cycles is 60000 in 37.5 seconds. Mind you the APOCS are riding out CONCORD even longer than that. Orca's with no Shield extender (or Armor or Hull equivalent) either is total of 57400 EHP. And adding those won't add that much.......not anywhere NEAR the 90K you popped out of your head.........so YOU lie. I'm done arguing here. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 354	Posted - 2012.02.29 15:25:00 - [19] - Quote Cyniac wrote: which is - 2400/7.5 ... 320 DPS... pretty poor for a gank setup as a matter of fact. But it's enough. 320 X 5 Apocs is 1600 DPS. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 354	Posted - 2012.02.29 16:05:00 - [20] - Quote Fluffi Flaffi wrote: Please show me a proof of your 5 Smartbomb Apocs killing a standard Orca like my one. I did not fail in searching through the killboards. You just have no idea about what you are talking in this case! Not all post, and Killboards usually expire mails after awhile. Goon's is only searchable for 3 months even. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"

Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 354	Posted - 2012.02.29 19:00:00 - [21] - Quote Cyniac wrote: [quote=Krixtal Icefluxor][quote=Cyniac] So please Krix, - I'm trying to help you because even though you systematically dig your own grave in the forums time and again I believe that somewhere down there, you have good intentions. You just have to take a step back and be a little more self critical because at times, the information which you provide, is less than accurate and can mislead some people. All I can say for sure is that my Alliance Leader did it when in Wildly Inappropriate. Killmails are all ancient and gone. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 355	Posted - 2012.02.29 21:47:00 - [22] - Quote Zathryon wrote: i will say the youtube video with a smarty apoc taking out something like 20 retrievers is really funny...but i digress. Smarty apocs seems like a funny way to take out an orca. 'twas indeed an hilarious video that ! OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 355	Posted - 2012.03.01 15:36:00 - [23] - Quote Herr Wilkus wrote: Actually, those KMs further illustrate how ignorant you are. But keep right on poasting. The Hostility is STRONG in this one.......... OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"

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